Debate the Shape

Two models of the world. Test them against what you can see.

A place for people who question things and care about what's true. We argue from observation, photos and geometry anyone can check. No appeals to authority, no insults.

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Flat-earth model

Sun 3,000 miles up and 32 miles across, the most common flat-earth figures. It lights a round patch; the edge of that light is a cutoff we chose, since a flat-earth sun has no natural one.

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Check a city

Search any place and pick a date. See when the sun actually rises and sets there, and what the flat-earth sun would give it instead.

Pick any date and hour. Which model matches where it's day and night around the world at that moment? Try Now, then ask someone on another continent.

Evidence over authority

Bring an observation, a photo or a calculation someone else can repeat. Credentials don't settle anything here.

Argue with ideas, not people

No name-calling and no mocking, from either side. Assume the other person means well.

Anyone can be wrong

Changing your mind when the evidence calls for it counts as a win, not a loss.

Rules of Engagement

Debate the Shape is not a place for insults, personal attacks or blind appeals to authority. There's plenty of that already. If you're here to call a flat-earther an idiot or a globe-earther a sheep, go somewhere else. We're done with the division. Here, we steelman both the flat-earth and globe models. We ask questions, build models, and test them with real-world experiments and observations. Perhaps we can’t prove that we live on a sphere or a flat plane, but if we can show that the current flat and/or globe earth models don’t hold up to scrutiny, then we can find common ground in knowing what we don’t know.